In the past couple years, no Charlotte mag story has generated more feedback than a piece that ran anonymously (as told to Lori K. Tate) in the March ‘07 issue. Tagged on the cover with “Where Are All the Men?”, the article was titled “Age-old Dilemma.” The subtitle: “Dating is always difficult, but this thirty-seven-year-old Charlottean says it’s become damn near impossible. The former investment banker (we promised not to disclose her name, but she’s hot–trust us), who had a close call with The Bachelor and was a finalist with a $50,000 matchmaker, share what it’s really like out there. You can read it here.
The letters flowed in. Interestingly, almost all the letters were from men. In fact, they’re still coming. Over the weekend, we got this one:
I recently ran across your March issue in one of my client’s offices. After reading the article by the 37-year-old single woman, I felt that I needed to reply with a single guy’s point of view.
The first thing that I would like to make clear is that the frustration with the single scene here in Charlotte is not only on the female side of the fence. I’ve been in Charlotte for 4 years now and have found that the single scene can be categorized into three groups. First, the 21-26 year olds that love to go out and party every weekend and aren’t really looking for more than that. The 27-30 something year olds that as your writer put it, “end up doing things together all weekend long because we don’t get asked out,” and then there’s the 30 plus/divorced with kids/I can’t believe I’m back out here group.
Group one is who you will find out at Cans, the attic, Ri-Ra’s Buckhead, etc every weekend doing the same thing. These are mostly people that are partying like they were still in college (and some are) and typically aren’t interested in “dating.” They just want to have a good time.
Then comes group two. This is the group that is looking for someone to date, but doesn’t want to hit all the places I just mentioned in group one, yet don’t know where to go instead. Your girl made a comment about Cans where “there are always droves of men together but no one on a date. No one is walking hand in hand.” Is it that men don’t want to date anymore? Is dating extinct? No and No. She nailed it when she asked “do we just not have the channels to meet people who are likeminded.” We guys like to go out in groups the same way that women do. A guy by himself is never looked upon as a good thing—most of the time it’s just creepy. But the women are also out with their friends and approaching a pack of women, especially in a place like Cans, is a suicide mission. There is so much going on, the music is so loud, that even if you had something to say, your intended recipient would have a hard time hearing it. I actually agree with just about everything that she said in the article, but it’s just as bad on the men’s side. Sure there are guys that are just trying to hook up for the evening, but there are just as many that are looking to find someone that they want to date. We don’t know where to look either. We go to Cans because that’s apparently where everyone else goes. We don’t know where you and your friends are having dinner, otherwise, we would go there too.
Group three is thrown into the same mix with everyone else, but tend to spend more time in the suburbs where other divorcees tend to hang. I fall into the same category as your author, so that’s where my experience comes from.
The bottom line is that dating takes a lot of effort and most of the time you go home disappointed. But as your writer said, “you just have to have a positive attitude” because if you don’t, everyone can see it. Desperation is like a little black cloud that follows you around everywhere you go, and everyone can see it but you. I believe that your best bet of meeting someone likeminded is through friends. Unfortunately, our friend network is typically limited, so we just keep going to all the same places over and over hoping that this time will be different. Personally, I’d just like to know where she and her two gorgeous single friends go out to dinner.
So what’s up guys? Is that what it’s really like? And women, where can this guy and others like him go to meet you?
June 26, 2007 at 8:41 pm
That guy should write a book. Everything he said hit it right on the head. Who wants to be hit on in a bar, but the reality is that most women don’t like being approached by strangers anyway. Countless times I’ve seen a guy that actually had the courage to approach some women, go down in flames. And the women wonder why no one asks them out? Perhaps they should take a look at themselves. Body language says it all, and I would bet that if they are not getting asked out, then their body language is one of the main reasons. By the way, ever think about asking a guy out instead of waiting for him to make the first move. What, you say? Thats right… Give it a try, you might be amazed at how much we guys actually like a girl that makes the first move.
June 27, 2007 at 12:23 pm
WELL I AM THE GIRL THE ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN ABOUT.
FIRST OFF THANKS TO ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE WRITTEN IN. FROM
YOUR RESPONSES IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE
OF THIS UNPREDICTABLE DATING BOOK. ALL TRYING TO FIND SOMEONE COMPATIBLE TO SPEND OUR TIME WITH. ITS THE JOURNEY TO FIND THIS SAID PERSON OF COMPATIBILITY THAT IS THE WILD CARD HERE.
BLIND DATES, SOCIAL GATHERINGS, FRIEND SETUPS, WORK… BOTTOM LINE IS YOU HAVE JUST GET OUT THERE AND BE OPTIMISTIC. YOU JUST NEVER KNOW.
I HAVE BEEN IN TALKS WITH OPRAH’S RELATIONSHIP GURU.. HE WROTE THE “MANUAL” HIS LINK IS BELOW.
http://www.askstevesantagati.com/index.html
LADIES, HE IS A TELL IT LIKE IT IS GUY WITH SOME SOUND ADVICE, WITH
THAT SAID, NONE OF IT HAS WORKED FOR ME, BUT NONE THE LESS
HIS COMMENTS WILL MAKE YOU LAUGH. AND IN THIS DATING POOL
THAT IS AS DEEP AS A PUDDLE AFTER A SUMMER RAINSHOWER.. A LAUGH IS WELL DESERVED.
GUYS, YOUR RIGHT. WOMEN CAN STEP UP AND ASK A GUY OUT.
THAT ISNT AN ISSUE. ITS LIKE ANYTHING IN LIFE: WHEN YOU SEE A
GOOD THING DON’T LET THE MOMENT PASS YOU BY. CARPE DIEM!!
BUT “V” I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU THAT WOMEN DON’T LIKE TO BE APPROACHED. NO WAY . IF YOU ARE SINCERE IN YOUR ACTIONS THEN WE SAY – BRING IT ON. TRUST ME, YOU WILL NOT CRASH AND BURN.
BUT PLEASE… NO CHEESEY LINES.. JUST A SIMPLE HELLO WILL DO THE TRICK. AND ANOTHER TIP HERE FOR YOU.. DO NOT OFFER TO BUY HER
A SHOT. THIS WILL SEND YOU FROM A-LIST TO THE D-LIST IN A HEARTBEAT.
HEY I JUST SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE HERE.
I HAVE SO MANY WHACKY STORIES ABOUT DATING THAT I COULD WRITE IN THIS BLOG FOR WEEKS. BUT LETS HIT SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS TO STIR SOME BANTER AMONGST THE TROOPS:
1. YES YOU CAN GO DUTCH ON A DATE. WOMEN DON’T MIND, BUT GUYS
IF YOU DO LIKE HER AND HAD A GREAT TIME, PICK UP THE TAB.
2. DON’T CALL WOMEN OVER 35 -COUGARS. NO NEED TO ELABORATE ON THIS ONE.
3. DON’T ASK WHY SHE IS SINGLE… DUH.. YOU ARE TOO!
4. DON’T ASK HER IF SHE HEARS THE ROAR OF HER BIOLOGICAL CLOCK TICKING LIKE A TIME BOMB. YES, THIS DID HAPPEN ON MORE THAN ONE
OCCASION.
5. SAY WHAT YOU MEAN, DO WHAT YOU SAY. IF YOU SAY “I WILL CALL YOU SUNDAY..” CALL. WE CAN TAKE REJECTION. CHANCES ARE IF YOU DIDN’T CONNECT WITH HER, SHE DIDNT EITHER.. JUST SAY IT WAS NICE MEETING YOU. END STORY, EVERYONE IS MOVING ON.
6. DO NOT TEXT HER. PICKUP THE PHONE. THIS IS A WOMENS NUMBER ONE PET PEEVE… AND FOR HEAVENS SAKE- DO NOT ASK HER OUT BY EMAIL OR TEXT, DONT BREAK UP WITH HER BY EMAIL/TEXT AND PLEASE NO DRUNK TEXTING… HOW ABOUT THIS MESSAGE A FRIEND OF MINE GOT AFTER DATE #2 WITH A PRETTY DECENT GUY .. RUREDE4LUV… WHAT ARE YOU 15?
ONE LAST THING:
I JUST FINISHED AN AMAZING BOOK CALLED … THE UNHOOKED GENERATION. EVERYONE SINGLE SHOULD MAKE THIS REQUIRED READING .
OKAY, SO IF WE ALL AGREE THAT CANS IS NOT THE PLACE TO MEET POTENTIAL DATES… THAN WHERE SHOULD WE GO? PICK A PLACE AND SPREAD THE WORD.
July 2, 2007 at 1:47 pm
Dear Anonymous,
I’m the guy that wrote the reply that was posted on the blog. Clearly there a different point of views, but I think we are in agreement in most of what we both say. I could go on writing replys from a guys point of view, but I have a better idea. How about getting together in person and really blowing the top off of whats wrong with Charlotte’s scene. I have some ideas, some of which are already in the works, that can help those ofus that are looking for a change. Richard has my contact information, so send me an e-mail or tell Richard to send me yours. Maybe with a combined effort, we can actually make a difference.